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Dougald Hine's avatar

It strikes me that the common factor in Monbiot's statements about poetry is how extreme they are - but also a particular kind of rhetorical extremity, more habitual than anything else, the voice of someone who has been shouting so long they haven't noticed that it's also possible to talk or whisper. What becomes obvious about this habitual extremity when applied to, say, poetry is its fundamental unseriousness. It's possible to make outrageous claims for (or against) poetry in a serious way, but it doesn't produce sentences like these.

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Thanks for the comments. Briefly,

Dougald – rhetorical extremity, yes! I suppose there can be case for it as a writing tactic to grab the reader’s attention, but then you need to go somewhere more nuanced. Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s anywhere politically nuanced to go to in the present moment from observations about pastoral poetry and its oversimplification of agrarianism, but there are plenty of people happy to lap up that story.

Nick – thanks for that on Nate’s podcast. I need to catch up on them – he’s always worth a listen. In relation to his ‘Walrus’ list, I guess I’d subscribe to moderate versions of (1) and (2), not so much the other ones. Not bad, I submit, for a sometime ‘lefty/progressive’!

Yep, I’m at the PPP event in Bath on Thursday. If you’re near Bath, you may be near Frome – so there’s also the local book launch on 14 October https://www.tickettailor.com/events/frometowncouncil/1861346

Mike – thanks, very interesting points on Holly McNish and ‘active’ belonging. I hope to write something more about that soon. I agree with you/her, but I also think people inevitably seek more abstract forms of symbolic belonging. Wherein great danger lies – we need to make sure we don’t end up worshipping monsters.

Barbara/Mark – as with the contours of wider collapse, it’s likely only possible to see where the point of no return was with hindsight, but yes from my distant vantage point it’s plausible that the US republic is already a goner. I have a discussion about Trump and kingship in the new book, drawing on wider analyses of kingship … I’m a bit uncertain about it, but hopefully it might generate interesting discussion.

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